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Summarized discourse
DNC objection - Nevermind, it was just promoted anyway. --Gregb -- Good! I found some more photos also; will add soon. Sj 13 Aug | Business Ethics -- re: your note that it needs attention, I'm volunteering to reshape it. (Wish me luck).--Psients 18 Aug | Hi there! --magius | thank you for your warm welcome at wiki books - i did have a project on wikipedia but even my home/user page has been removed - ah well . . . --[anon]
Edit attrib - re: xx.163.192.38, pls verify User:Kate Sep 4 (UTC)
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Phantasie : I replied on my page :-) Fantasy | UN lobby I noticed you changed to #wikipedia topic to some info about wikipedia in the UN lobby. more concrete info? Burgundavia Jun 27 - Yes indeed... see m:Golden Nica Awards 2004.
Translations
See the International archive.
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Languages : The language project has not recently advanced significantly other than for my personal aim of learning catalan. Where can I contact wikiversity enthusiasts? Get-back-world-respect 11 Aug 2004
Multilingual Communication
Hey sj, Jamesday pointed me to you on irc #wikimedia. I have a way of making people work in multiple languages on a contents of a page. Take a look at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/community/MultilingualExperiment. It misses languagefiltering in the edit mode still. But for reading it works fine. A good deal of translation coming off, automatic pretranslation like described on http://wikifeatures.wiki.taoriver.net/moin.cgi/AutomaticTranslation and we've got it MattisManzel 11:08, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
On de: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Mehrsprachige_Kommunikation. On en: (moved to WP: namespace) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Multilingual_communication .
Newsletter et al
Hi Sj, you wrote the following on my talk page: "Do you have time this month to help keep an eye on translations of a Wikimedia newsletter?" - yes, I do have the time, but where do I find the newsletter (or isn't it written yet)? - Kaare 17:43, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Awaiting Updates
Hillis:
I emailed Ben Goertzel about whether the Danny Hillis article was a copyright violation. Angela. 11:46, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)
- Much obliged. [wonder what happened... --Ed.]
High-Energy Metaphysics?:
High-Energy Metaphysics <-- (request) JWSchmidt 04:28, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I'll try to think of something encyclopedic to say on the subject... ... ... ...+sj+
Trust metrics
Complicated...
It looks kind of complicated. I don't know if that's because it is, or just because I've been travelling too long and have lost the ability to think. I'll try to give a better answer tomorrow, but just wanted to say I'm not ignoring the question. Hope you had a nice Easter. Angela. 19:40, Apr 12, 2004 (UTC)
More awake now, and a more coherent response is at User talk:Sj/mattersofpolicy. Angela. 11:55, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)
- Thank you. And even more discussion now from others... great. +sj+ 15:03, 2004 Apr 21 (UTC)
Press corps
Sj, I find your idea of the press corp intriguing. Would be nice to see a list of events covered or stories of success. Also your mention of power structures is related to something that I've wanted to pursue -- the nature of social power in WP. Have we started anything on that in meta or en before? Fuzheado 22:35, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
- Now we have. See your talk page. +sj+
Featured Article Candidates
Your objections on FAC are tremendously nitpicky and stress-inducing. I approve of this wholeheartedly ;-) - David Gerard 18:59, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Stress inducing isn't a good thing as it de-motivates editors. Good feedback and finding errors others don't see however, is critical to making truly great articles. With that in mind please note the responses to your objections and offer clarification at FAC Supply and Demand - Taxman 17:07, Jun 26, 2004 (UTC)
- Speaking of which, replies to my replies on Mission Earth would be welcomed - David Gerard 19:59, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliments on the US government articles. I don't mind nitpicking, nor would I be in a position to do so, as I occasionally do the same. -- Emsworth 00:10, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC)
Copyediting
see Archive 1
Arbcom questions
A quick - OK, actually, probably a long question regarding your candidacy for the arbcom. How do you think you would have ruled/would rule in the following cases?
- Thanks for the questions, Snowspinner. In general, I think there are a few broad authorisations/recommendations which will be referenced by many arbitrations; I will respond briefly, and later come back and generalize. +sj+
Key:
RPA - Remove personal attacks (with prejudice). Any editor may remove/rv aggressive or offensive comments (particularly on user/talk pages) by this user, with great leeway. Taking time to extract meaningful comments from insults is encouraged, but not required. Entire comments may be rv'ed for abusive tone and embedded insults, in contrast with the milder version of RPA that applies to everyone.
Bans: Ban duration and specific reason are, as with any bans, at the discretion of the banning admin, save where otherwise specified.
PA Ban - Personal attack bans: User may be banned for making personal attacks against other editors.
Art Ban - Article bans: User may be banned for editing [a specific set of] articles
Talk Ban - User may be banned for editing [a specific set of] talk pages
EL Ban - External link bans: User may be banned for adding [specific] external links to articles [and other pages]
Flags: User added to special list / user contribs added to special public watchlist/flagged in RC. For public recognition of disruptive activity/trolling, enhanced RC patrolling.
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Irismeister 2
- [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:Iridology&dummy=1&diff=3644517&oldid=3644245), the link in the RfA, highlights emotional, disruptive contributions.
- Final decisions were good; but overly detailed, took a month too long to produce, and remain marked 'interim' two months later. This might have been a routine response by the AC, authorising a PA Ban (admins) and RPA (all editors).
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Mr-Natural-Health
- 'Abusive... combative edits'. many persistent examples.
- Does not play well with others. From the AC page itself: "My original objective on Wikipedia was accomplished on day one... prov[ing] my mental superiority to those of the science bigots on Wikipedia... While I would love to continue wasting huge amounts of time dealing with morons and bigots on Wikipedia, I happen to have a life... My original characterization of the gang of thugs on Wikipedia has been proven correct over and over again."
- David Gerard, who brought up the RfA, expresses the standard confounding desire: "He knows a huge amount about the area and could possibly contribute brilliantly" -- but the desire for expert contributors should not trump the need for a functioning, polite community.
- Authorise RPA, a PA Ban, and perhaps a 3-month subject-area Art Ban -- disallowing edits to alt-medicine articles, but allowing comments on Talk pages -- that is, where not removable via RPA.
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Wik2
- An excellent example of being hamstrung by slow process, and of excessive legalism.
- Wik had clearly having a negative impact on the project, by offending so many over such small matters. At the same time, he was a fantastically prolific contributor. Since part of the case against him was made by the kind of POV vandals that he so successfully helped deter from editing WP, the AC should have acted on the separate case against Cantus first, with a quick rebuff to Cantus, before acting on Wik2.
- As for a remedy for Wik, I think again that giving all admins wider leeway in how they exercise case-by-case judgment would have been better than decreeing some punishment for things already past. Allowing any minor infraction to be grounds for a short (two-hour?) ban -- say, any revert of a non-anon user without comments on the relevant article or user Talk: page -- might have been more appropriate.
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Paul Vogel
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Mav v. 168
- By the time this finally came to arbitration, it was too late for the AC to have responded appropriately. The best they could have done was to have recognized 168's value to the project, and without extracting an apology from mav, quickly issued a very positive set of neutral statements (rather than the ambivalent set of neutral statements they eventually released), while 168 was in the mood for reconciliation. Then mav and 168 might have reconciled in private.
- The time for the AC to have acted is noted in the presentation of the case:
- On February 14 [after temporarily desysopping 168...] ... Tim Starling requested review of his action by either Jimbo or the arbitration committee and advice on "whether it should be permanent? Or if not, what the term should be?"
- At this point, a fast-moving AC might have responded (recognizing that this would have to be temporary, if 168 were to be retained as a contributor) with some reasonable suggestion; as it had been demonstrated that 168 could be desysopped, it would have been a good time for someone other than TimStarling to have had a friendly discussion with him about coping with WikiStress and editors who try to push one's buttons. Mediators and AMA members might have been particularly useful here.
Thanks very much. Snowspinner 17:43, Aug 2, 2004 (UTC)
I wish you the best of luck in this month's Arbitration Committee election. May the best Wikipedian win! --Merovingian Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)
AC comments
even if you wren't sitting here twisting my arm, I'm sure you'd make a good arbitration comissar. :-) (Zvikit)
I feel I'm not active enough on En:... Aliter
I voted at a time disadvantageous to you! Is it possible to vote a second time? --Jerzy (see above. --Ed.)
I've been a user for less than three months! -- Simonides
Thanks for participating in the ArbCom elections. Hatchet buried. Danny 00:47, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Any time. I'm giving your apology a special place right here:
[13|20:46] <dannyisme> then i apologize with all my soul for failing to overlook
your [orthographically correct description] behavior regarding the lowly comma
Summaries
I was just about to leave you a message about the project when I saw your message to me. Yes, I read the New York Times (incl. Book Review from beginning to end), Newsweek, Smithsonian, and The Periodical of Punctuation regularly, and several others randomly. I have also been thinking of subscribing to Mother Jones. I like the idea. Danny 00:06, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Oh heavens, not another Period Pun zealot. That explains a lot, Danny. The Book Review would be a great place to start improving our lit articles, of course. And we need a few Mother Jones and Jane's Electronics readers, too, maybe even some Mainline Lady subscribers... +sj+
- Wikisummaries: why not? but change the name.-SV 06:20, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Yes. :) SV 17:40, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Raul654 has stated that the FAD chooses Wikipedia:Tomorrow's featured article. Perhaps Zocky could aid here.
Regards, Ancheta Wis 15:29, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Look, followers!
I've always known it would happen someday
The all-Sj* article history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Scansoft&action=history
(: Are you from Massachusetts? +sj+ 04:52, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
It was only a matter of time before the two Sj*s collided :) And no, I am not from Massachusetts; I am from Cornwall, perhaps the sublimest place on the planet...
Sjc 07:19, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Meeting in Linz
I really sorry. It isn't easier to encourage people from far away to come, when they're in Spain for vaccation - with a bunch of daughters AND a wife! -- Robodoc.at 22:33, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
On 6th und 7th September there are 3 events at the Ars Electronica Festival in Linz related to Wikipedia. Maybe we can meet us afterwards. Please make a note about this two days. See more on de:Wikipedia:Treffen der Wikipedianer/Linz --- Mikegr 08:11, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Jimbo Wales will come to Linz at the AEF and we have your own meeting point there. If you want to visit an event and can help at the electrolobby I can offer you tickets for free. See more on the Linz page Mikegr 21:53, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Re: Rail stubs
Thanks for the suggestions...
The reason I'm treating each model separately is so that if I or someone else wants to add more information, photos, drawings, etc. on a specific model, it can be done without causing undue confusion. If all of the models are listed and described on the same page, I'm afraid things will eventually get too cluttered. The articles on the newer models (Dash-8 and Dash-9 series, etc.) will be a bit more detailed as I have better information on them, as well as personal observations.
Hello Sj! As I see you have created the page Wikipedia:Tools as I suggested - thank you very much! (or was it just coincidence?) How to you plan to work on this? Can I help you? And: Where should this page be linked?
In case you didn't see it: I also posted here: [2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump#Wikipedia_Utilities_.28CSV_conversion_tool.29);
-- 84.128.104.197 20:02, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC) (de:Benutzer:Duesentrieb)
- I will help you with the translation if I can - I'll be offline over the weekend, though, so don't get impatient. I'll get back to you, or if I don't, just prod me a little...
- BTW: if we are going to work on this together, we should coordinate over a faster medium - IRC, maybe? What Timezone are you in? I'm on CEST (UTC +0200), but still awake after Midnight... -- 84.128.104.197 23:37, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC) (de:Benutzer:Duesentrieb)
- Hi Sj! The translation of the tools-page has come some way now - would you link to it in the appropriate places? Maybe then we would also get some more help translating (at the moment, i do a little chunk every few days). Thanks, -- 217.82.181.205 18:38, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC) (de:Benutzer:Duesentrieb)
- Added to a few key lists and tocs...
Press release
Since you're listed on the Wikimedia Press Team, I wanted to let you know (though you may already be aware) that we're working on a 1,000,000-article press release. I'm hoping to get the press release written by 7 September, then allow a week for translation, as we should reach the milestone mid-September. Right now we're working at Wikimedia press releases/One million Wikipedia articles if you want to join us. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. --Michael Snow 22:57, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
links to Cats
Here is what I have accumulated so far on Categories
Template:Categorybrowsebar
I am mystified myself on why the categorizers don't chime in. It's a different mode of thinking from article writing. Jerzy had the best insight I have seen so far: A category should illuminate a relationship. Ryguasu has studied this subject in school and I wrote him a message appealing for help.
Regards,
Ancheta Wis 23:44, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Interested parties on refining the categories for the browsebar are invited to contribute to Category talk:Fundamental. I have copied the Main Page discussion on the categories to that talk page. Ancheta Wis 02:06, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:Categorization for discussion on renaming Category:Fundamental and how to arrange the highest levels of the category system. —AlanBarrett 09:30, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I haven't gone away permanently.
I've been kind of burned out on life in general, just taking it easy. I haven't had any sort of anti-Wikipedia fit or anything, just didn't have the energy to do anything with it. Maybe someday I'll have the time/energy to do some more.... Thanks for saying hi... Noel 00:30, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
PS: I'm sure you'll be amused to hear that when I looked at your user page (curious), my head started to emit springs and gears. I'm a very straightfoward sort of person (see mine)... Noel 07:29, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
PPS: I was wandering around some dusty back alleys, and came across this:
- in a flurry of preverts, Ril was inverted and cast from the cast of _Heavy En:_ into an archaeo-social list of helpful flames.
Very funny! Noel 02:57, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Press release translation
Thanks for your help, and your efforts to coordinate translations generally. I don't mind at all if people get a jump on translation, I just want to be sure that they do update translations to the final version. I will try and bring it to a final version soon, so that the translators can finish their work without worrying about last-minute changes. --Michael Snow 02:37, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I have no problem with the creation of a separate British English version of the press release, although Chameleon could have done a better job of making it clear that he had left the original intact, instead of redirecting everyone to the "translated" version. I was fooled when I first went there, and obviously so were others. As for substantive changes to the text, in my opinion it should stay frozen. There are already people saying the press release is too long, and frankly they're right. It's inevitable that in a project like this, some people will have good ideas that there just isn't space to include, and we can't allow everyone who lobbies for a particular sentence to get their way. So I'm not thrilled about shoehorning stuff in after the writing part was supposed to be finished. I would prefer to let the translators do their work and have people start to focus on where to send the press release, instead of scribbling madly away on their exams after time has already been called. --Michael Snow 06:02, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Thanks
Hi,
Thanks a lot for your Birthday-message, it was really nice to read this today after waking up.
Thanks :-) Fantasy 容 11:45, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Re images: please reply soon, as I am going on vacation soon :-) Fantasy 容 14:22, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Articles financiers
Bonjour Sj,
Il s'agit de monter en français un dossier transparent à l'intention des donateurs éventuels. Les articles en. sont énumérés ici :
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Wikipédia_et_l%27argent
Cependant, rien ne presse. Merci de me proposer ton aide. Roby 10:08, 2004 Sep 9 (UTC)
Merci pour ton envoi (newsletter). Je lis et corrige s'il y a lieu. Je m'en occupe immédiatement et te rappelle dans une heure ou deux. Roby 06:49, 2004 Sep 19 (UTC)
Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated!
Have yet to completely disappear...have just been busy lurking in the shadows...still very much a Wikipedian, — © Alex756 05:16, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Tribble Trouble
No wait, that's not right. Transient Trouble! No, that's not it either. Translation Trouble. Yes, that's it: I don't know whether you had anything to do with that system-wide notice, this time. But having seen the annoucement, this time I didn't just start translating just to find the translation would not be used. No, sir, I first checked to see whether Fy: was on the list. No, it wasn't. OK, so no source text, no place to put the result, we'll have to assume we won't be bothered this time. Well ... . Apparently the one throwing an English message at Fy: used a different list. Apparently, this translation process still doesn't function properly. Aliter 20:10, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
You asked me to clarify what list I talked about since you knew only about m:Translation_requests/Fund-Sep. Exactly, that's the one. And you told me that that list was, of course, not comprehensible. So in what way would the individual wikipedian know this course? Wouldn't anyone not closely tied to the events assume that if a list was used to organise the actions of those involved, everybody involved would be on that list? Anyway, not all that important. Just what gets written when suddenly all the pages in a wikipedia get a header in some foreign language. Aliter 18:09, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
By the way, you might want to refactor, excerpt, summarize, archive, or delete some of the page's content. The wiki is complaining about the page size. Aliter 18:09, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Arabic translation (Update), Newsletter (U)
Hi, I'm Ayman from the Arabic Wikipedia, the Arabic press release is almost done, we only need a couple of links and press contact info.
I'll post a message on ar: to start working on the newsletter, and maybe come up with something to put in "local projects" section too. --Ayman 02:48, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Hi Sj,
Pages 1, 2, 5, and 7 of the newsletter are translated into Arabic.
That's what I managed to translate, if there is something else really important in the NL, let me know, I'll try to find time for it.
--Ayman 19:29, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Hi again :) Still working on page 3, I just want to point out that Arabic text on the NL cover and background doesn't look right, letters aren't connected together as they should be. If it's possible to fix this, or you need help on it, let me know. --Ayman 21:40, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- After 4 hours of non-stop work, page 3 is done, I reviewed the whole thing too. --Ayman 03:04, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Italian Newsletter
Actually it was a lie... an unintentional one, I really thought the work was almost done. Chopinhuaer now seems to be occupied. I'll try to save some time in the WE to conclude the translation. ciao --Balubino 09:07, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Re: My photos
Hi, Sj. Um, first of all thanks for such praise of my pix. Really I'm currently using a toy to take them with, so to hear praise of that calibre really gives me great pride. I'm hoping to get a new proper camera soon, so you can expect some better pix. But until then, I dont care whether you call me fir0002 or Peter. Though I'd probably prefer you using fir0002- more identity. Except if I gave my surname (although I know Wikipedia has a cool community, there might be some sicko's so I'd rather not give out my surname) Peter doesn't really credit them to me very well.
Thanks, and cya. --Fir0002 12:42, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Newsletter Cover - the Polish version
Hi,
The Polish translators team - the newsletter. Preparing for
publication on http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Quarto/0409/Pl
We'd like to have a translated cover as well.
Or perhaps we should contact Jean-Christophe Chazalette about this ?
Kpjas 20:46, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
crediting you (Sjc)
Hi, how would you like to be credited in the newsletter? Right now you're listed just as Sjc. :) +sj+ 01:24, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- heh, my contribution was minimal to the point of paltriness. I wouldn't credit me if I were you :) Sjc 04:11, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Panorama-image: Thanks :-)
I replied on my talk-page :-) Fantasy 容 13:51, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Writing for translation
I've added examples to m:Multilingual_style_guide. Hope this helps. Feel free to hit me up again on this front, but - since I'm not routinely wathcing wikimedia.org - I'll only be aware of this if I'm pinged. Also, please remember that I'm a lot better at going into English than out, and that I can help with precisely this issue of "translating" colloquial English into more translatable English. If we don't do that as a separate step, then every translator effectively has to do it. -- Jmabel 18:07, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)
Image-Question
Did you see my last comment/question on my talk-page? Fantasy 容 06:01, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply :-) Fantasy 容 07:04, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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